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Import POD Parts Directly Into Current FPX Library

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Category: PCB Footprint Expert
Forum Name: Product Suggestions
Forum Description: request new features
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Printed Date: 22 Nov 2024 at 3:09am


Topic: Import POD Parts Directly Into Current FPX Library
Posted By: lalexman
Subject: Import POD Parts Directly Into Current FPX Library
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2014 at 7:51am

It would be must more convenient to be able to import from POD directly into the currently selected library instead of downloading a new fpx file for each part.




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Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2014 at 8:16am

The PCB Library Expert to POD interface is "under construction".

Nick and the programmers are working on the ability to directly upload from & download to Library Expert. The POD will not be built by PCB Libraries, Inc. alone, but by users worldwide uploading their FPX file data.

Also, right now while you're waiting for this new feature, you can download and import multiple FPX files from any folder. i.e.: download 20 - 25 POD parts as individual files but import them into Library Expert with Click (the first FPX file) > Shift Click (the last FPX file) and import all of them into the same FPX file.



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Posted By: sgdavies
Date Posted: 22 May 2014 at 2:54am
Hi Nick,

I have some questions on the future development/Strategy of "POD"

My Current Manager at Philips asked :-

"can you try to get some strategy information from PCB Libraries about their plans to extend this “parts on demand database” with getting more complete catalogues from component manufacturers in? I think the focus should be also more on complex parts like connectors, because then also the STEP format will be more used (meaning also their additional license). Thus information about their plans and activities might help to understand the future value of this database and the concepts around."

I understand that the current strategy is just aimed at (as you state above) "users worldwide uploading their FPX file data", but the question is are any component manufactures involved anywhere in this process yet? or are there talks? I know things are in development and anything might be possible. but please could you try to spell it out to me were things are at the moment with this strategy?
Thanks in advance!



Posted By: Nick B
Date Posted: 22 May 2014 at 7:17am

We have started talking with a few component manufacturers as well as distributors. We most certainly do not want to build everything manually. Keep in mind though, only the standard parts (symmetrical w/ similar size/shape pads) can be mass build/translated from manufacturer data. Other parts will have to be build using the FP Designer module or made available in P/D files that get translated to the various CAD tools using the Library Expert.



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Posted By: sgdavies
Date Posted: 22 May 2014 at 7:21am
ok thanks Nick.


Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 22 May 2014 at 7:31am

We do plan on implementing a new feature for customers to auto-upload parts from Library Expert to POD.

Like Nick mentioned, PCB Libraries, Inc. can't upload 50 million mfr. part numbers by ourselves. We need to involve the global electronics industry and make it really easy for everyone to upload missing mfr. part numbers.




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Posted By: sgdavies
Date Posted: 23 May 2014 at 12:40am
We are considering upgrading to 2014, but currently are still on 2013.19, I have been experimenting with the new "POD" site to see if its possible for me to download any part footprints.
If I search for Fairchild Semi
Part Number -  FAN760
Case Code - empty
I get results,  however when I click on the "Footprint Available", or "3D Model Available", link nothing happens.
Almost like a dead url or broken link were nothing happens, as there is no url path.
Is the POD live? and can it be used for 2013.19 users?



Posted By: Nick B
Date Posted: 23 May 2014 at 2:35am
When the buttons are grayed out, please make sure you are logged in with the account that your license is associated with, and the buttons will be enabled. You also need to have the currently released version - reason being is the FPX format will inevitably get updated from time to time, so access is limited to customers who have the latest version of the Library Expert that can properly read/process the latest FPX format.

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Posted By: sgdavies
Date Posted: 23 May 2014 at 2:40am
Hi Nick, so that means we would need to upgrade to 2014.02 ? to use POD?

we are currently on 2013.19, yes the buttons are greyed out.


Posted By: Nick B
Date Posted: 23 May 2014 at 3:04am
That's correct.

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Posted By: sgdavies
Date Posted: 23 May 2014 at 3:06am
okay cheers Nick, I shall inform the managers here.


Posted By: Matthew Lamkin
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2014 at 3:51am

If users are to upload their FPX files to POD, when another user comes along and downloads that same part - will it be identified as "user created data" or "PCBL created data"?

And how will it be checked for accuracy?


Someone could create what is essentially a very bad part that then gets downloaded, the downloader trusts its correct as it comes from PCBL and then when they use it in a product it could end up as a costly problem should it not be correct.




Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2014 at 7:01am

Right now POD is in beta and every part must be checked and rated by the person who downloads it. When the user qualifies the data then it gets relocated from beta to rated. We're currently working on that part of POD right now.

In a future release for V2014, the PCB Library Expert will have an upload to POD feature. Each customer will be able to define their own personal profile with avatar and contact info on POD to earn credits for the FPX files they upload. The credits can be used toward the purchase of many things that are coming to POD and it includes software.

So when you download a POD part in the future, you'll know who created the data and you'll be able to rate and comment on the quality.

ALL parts are "unrated" and require QC until someone rates the part as checked and approved and then marked (identified) as such. So you will know who created the part and who approved the part.

Once we get the POD programming completed, it will be a fine tuned library part resource that will eventually have well over 100 million items to download. The items will include FPX files, PADS p/d Files (used for translation), 3D STEP or master SolidWorks 3D models, schematic symbols and much more.

The new PCB Libraries, Inc. is focused on library content and not just software tools.

We're also currently redesigning the Library Expert Ribbon Toolbars to make them larger with text and more user friendly. There will be DXF import in FP Designer used for verification of accuracy (as this data is subject to human error).



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Posted By: Matthew Lamkin
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2014 at 7:39am
Oh no - not ribbons... Cry

Horrible things are ribbons, toolbars are better as they only take a single click, ribbons mean you have to select the right ribbon before selecting the tool :)





Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2014 at 7:49am

I just call the Toolbar a Ribbon. I didn't know about "select a ribbon first". I use SolidWorks every day and they refer to there toolbars as "Ribbons".

What I mean is that every icon will have the function "text" below it so that you do not have to mouse over the icon to get pop-up text. Pop-up text will still exist but the current selection icons will be a bigger target to select.

You'll like the new look.



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Posted By: Matthew Lamkin
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2014 at 8:10am
As examples Inventor, Word and Excel have ribbons.

You have to select the appropriate ribbon and then select the command, sometimes having to pick a dropdown from the ribbon.

So a command can take 3 or more mouse clicks, this is as opposed to a toolbar where all commands can be visible and selectable with a single click.

IMO Ribbons are a cause of repetitive strain injuries and frustration amongst users.
Long live the mouse button, long live the toolbar. LOL


Posted By: jameshead
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2014 at 8:32am
I too dislike the new "ribbons" in MS Office and Autocad, and prefer the traditional toolbar.
I gave up upgrading Autocad after 2004 to be honest because of the way they destroyed the GUI.

On the subject of POD footprints I'd double-check everything I download before putting it on a board regardless of whoever provided the footprint.  I'm kind of like that - check everything.

I saw so many mistakes go through the fabrication process when I was a CAM Engineer, from data sent in by PCB Designers who'd just pressed the button on their CAM output, zipped it up, and sent it out without checking it.  It probably helped pay my salary at the time but I'm at the paying end now!

I would be very confident on rated footprints provided through POD but it's still in my nature to double-check everything - especially my own work - carefully as I'm never as arrogant to assume that I can't make the occasional blunder.



Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2014 at 8:54am

Well it's safe to say that if James rates a POD part it's good to go.

I don't think we'll need ribbons just yet. You only introduce them when the number of icons exceeds the length of the working window.

However, there might be a Toolbar Drop-down icon in some special case to reduce the number of toolbar icons to prevent reverting to Ribbons. Example: POD > Upload / Download might be a single icon (future feature).

The more features we add the longer the Toolbar gets and eventually it turns into a Ribbon. But that's down the road. The primary Ribbon will be the most common commands and a secondary Ribbon might be less used commands. We'll see what the future holds.

But you will like the new updated Toolbar with the command text under the icon so you'll know each function at a glance.



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Posted By: mike_aes
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 9:52am
To give feedback the existing POD.
 
I would like to see it integrated with Library Expert as discussed; you have my vote on that one!  That would save a whole lot of messing around on the website; that is really painful, when I know there are far better ways.

I would like to be able to select one or more parts from a list and then have it automatically download to my existing FPX file (or predefined location) and the 3D STEP file download into an existing folder or some way to auto-manage where they go so you are not prompted for it.  If it turns out logically you need to prompt for a location you could have a checkbox and make that an optional in that if the box is checked it asks, otherwise it puts it into a default folder location defined by the user.  



In terms of searching:

I would like to search by partial part numbers (which you can do now), but without specifying manufacture; that makes it quicker from a user stand point.   Maybe do something on the order of Octopart or other distributor websites.  For me, I might know a partial part number, but don't recall the industrial suffix or perhaps I know the body/case or I might not.  Sometimes a quick design will be dictated by what I can get my hands on now quickly (maybe a MSOP decal is available now, but DFN not) and I don't have the time to build anything.  So having some mechanism to drill down in any way I see fit to get to a small list I can pick from would be awesome.   Make the search flexible for the users because each person may approach the problem differently.  

To avoid someone downloading the entire thing you could simply limit download and whatever you check to download goes into a basket sort of thing.

I would also like to browse.  Only seeing 3 or 4 items on a page is also really painful.   There are cases where I might have a part and I am just looking for a similar part body I can use for 3D model, but have no clue what the part number might be or even case code; in this case searching by description would work better for me.   The browse and search mechanism could be similar to what many distributor websites do.

It would really be great is to upload a list of part numbers (perhaps incomplete part numbers) in a CSV file and then have it automatically search and produce a list which then you check the ones that make sense or your continue to drill down.  
 




Posted By: Nick B
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 9:14pm

Thanks for your input, Mike. This is the direction we're moving towards.

Regards,
Nick




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