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Component zero Orientation A or B?

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Topic: Component zero Orientation A or B?
Posted By: AB_Regin
Subject: Component zero Orientation A or B?
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 6:37am
What component zero orientation does your POD follow?

It seems like "level B" for most of the package types, but a demo of DFN-4 seems like a "level A"?

 



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Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 7:09am
The 4-Pin DFN has a Right Mouse Button "Reorder Pins" option. 

The default 4-Pin DFN should be changed so the the default part looks like this - 
 

 


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Posted By: AB_Regin
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 11:52pm
Hi Tom,

Your example footprint with the pin 1 to the low left is with IEC 61188-7 “Level B” Zero Orientation and mine straight out from Library Expert, is with IEC 61188-7 “Level A” Zero Orientation?

My question is what zero orientation level your footprint library follow?
Or more specific; when using POD and Library Expert to create footprints for our cad-system, can I expect to get any of these orientation levels and that I have to be observant and check it by myself which level it has and maybe rearrange the pin locations if our footprints shall follow the level B? 

We expected to be able to use all POD:s almost straight out of the box and only have to adjust cosmetic stuff...



Posted By: AB_Regin
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 12:58am
I can add some more information after some searching..
I found this old topic: 
https://www.pcblibraries.com/forum/ipc7351c_topic732.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.pcblibraries.com/forum/ipc7351c_topic732.html

At that time you Tom said that the Library Expert follows the IPC 7315C and Level B zero rotation, but that does not seem to be the case with the DFN-4?



Posted By: AB_Regin
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 1:17am
And more...
I found this document, in which the DFN-4 is described as an oscillator (this is just a matter of a different 3D Body i guess):
https://www.pcblibraries.com/Products/FPX/UserGuide/download/Library%20Expert%20Surface%20Mount%20Families.pdf

Here in this document it shows the correct rotation for level B, but your library expert outputs it as level A!




Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 8:23am
I see now what you are referring to. 

I created the documentation, so now I have to find some 4-pin DFN parts and see what the typical pin numbering scheme is for Antenna, Capacitor, Crystal, Diode, Filter, Inductor, IC, Oscillator (the most used family for this package), Resistor & Transistor. 

Thank you for reporting this issue.



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Posted By: AB_Regin
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 10:37pm
Thanx Tom!
I can help you by telling that I discovered this issue after POD download of this one:
http://www.pcblibraries.com/POD/?M=KINGBRIGHT&PN=APHF1608SEEQBDZGKC" rel="nofollow - http://www.pcblibraries.com/POD/?M=KINGBRIGHT&PN=APHF1608SEEQBDZGKC



Posted By: ransonjd
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 1:00pm
Hi,

I'm noting that 4-pin DFNs still follow "A" orientation and not "B" orientation. What's the motivation for this difference from other 4-pin components?

Thanks!


Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 1:15pm
It's because the "D" dimension is normally larger than the "E" dimension. 

Our software programmer didn't read our documentation. Confused

Not sure if IPC-7351C will ever adopt the Orientation B concept to align with the IEC 61188-7 Standard which lists both A & B orientations. 

I'm not sure if IPC-7351C will ever be released. The chairman Karen McConnell just stepped down after 20 years and the subcommittee is losing interest. 



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Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 1:17pm
I forgot to mention the main reason. 

Unlike most component families, the 4-pin DFN has multiple pin configurations and Pin 1 can be in different locations. 

So there really is no Zero Orientation for the 4-pin DFN. 



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Posted By: ransonjd
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 1:48pm
Hi Tom,

Thanks for the info. Since there's no DFN specific reason to favor the current orientation, could the orientation be updated to match the orientation of similar 3&4-pin components? I feel like one of the major benefits of PCB libraries is the consistency of the footprints generated, and DFNs seem like an odd exception.


Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 2:18pm
Right now we're getting ready to release our V2020 Library Expert Beta in 2 weeks. 

The programmers are not going to update anything until after the official release in mid-April. 

The main reason is that V2020 is a total rewrite that started a year ago and nothing is going to distract them from meeting release deadlines. 

This is not an easy fix and may take a week, but the most important thing is 100,000 users with existing libraries created by Library Expert do not like changes. Even though you can control the Zero Orientation in Preferences. 



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Posted By: Tom H
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 11:46am
We're building a lot of 4-pin DFN footprints for PCBPOD, and Pin 1 is all over the place. 

Pin 1 in lower left, upper left, upper right, lower right. 

There is no standard pin out for the 4-pin DFN package and therefore there is no standard Pin 1 Zero Orientation. Never will be. The component manufacturer's are doing whatever they want. 



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